Faisal Of Arabia
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............................................ (1906-1975) *you must be rolling in your grave*
Here is an Attribute to the man who stood for his beliefs, religion and moralities. A man who've hit the ground with his feet and said to the entire world (today, here I stand) to my idol, to the only Arab leader I've ever liked in the "modern era", to the one and only KING FAISAL BIN ABDULAZIZ.
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kindly click here
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The Man and his vision
Faisal bin Abd Al Aziz was born in Saudi Arabia's central province in 1906. He was the only son of his mother, a direct descendant of Muhammad ibn Abd Al Wahhab, the charismatic 18th century Islamic figure with whom the Al Sauds made the vital alliance which resulted in a religious revival and enabled the Al Sauds to extend their domains.
Faisal thus personified the commitment of the Al Sauds to rule according to the tenets of Islam. This strong Islamic heritage coupled with wisdom and farsightedness made Faisal a powerful leader and an ideal candidate to bring his isolated kingdom into the 20th century.
From childhood, Faisal avidly absorbed qualities of leadership from his father. King Abd Al Aziz taught his son firsthand about politics and the art of dealing successfully with the different needs of diverse people in a variety of situations. His father's example showed him the value of self-possession, patience, and discretion. Recognizing Faisal's unique abilities, Abd Al Aziz gave Faisal opportunities to play a significant role in public affairs at an early age.
Maintaining the bedouin custom of the majlis or audience, he made himself available to all his subjects. "If anyone feels wrongly treated, he has only himself to blame for not telling me. What higher democracy can there be?" His captivating personality and amazing capacity to handle the most complex problems in a just manner endeared him to his countrymen and made King Faisal recognised internationally as an exceptional statesman.
King Faisal was not merely a skilled politician and a respected diplomat. He was a cultured man who loved poetry and literature. He was an aristocrat of great humbleness whose nobility and integrity were innate, not assumed. He was a devout Muslim who lived his faith and successfully modernised Saudi Arabia without compromising the country's Islamic identity.
Not least, he was a ruler who sincerely cared about his people and felt a deep responsibility for their welfare.
Although King Faisal treasured his desert heritage, he accepted that it would not be to his country's advantage to ignore the benefits of progress. He was determined to improve economic and social standards and transform Saudi Arabia into a modern state. "Like it or not, we must join the modern world and find an honourable place in it."
Balancing beneficence with discipline, he used tact and sensitivity to overcome the protestations of his many conservative subjects.
It was further reassuring for them to know that Faisal was not prepared to sever ties with the past, nor would he accept purely secular legislation; the sacred Koran remained the law of the land.
In order to bring prosperity to Saudi Arabia, Faisal knew that the development of human resources was vital. Recognising that knowledge is power, Faisal determined that education had to be the starting point for such an undertaking. In a dramatic departure from local tradition, and in spite of initial opposition, he opened the Kingdom's first girls' school. Until universities were established in the Kingdom, he continued his brother King Saud's policy of giving scholarships in order to continue studies at universities abroad. Literacy classes were made available to older citizens.
He encouraged the country's youth to work hard to acquire the technical know-how they would need in order to accept the challenges facing their developing nation. His own children set the example for others. Faisal knew it would be a long journey but he also knew it was time to take the first steps. "We are starting from the bottom," he cautioned, "and we have to build slowly. We cannot perform miracles overnight."
Among Faisal's extensive social programmes, universal health care had an important impact on the well-being of the population. For the first time, modern medicine was available to all Saudis. If treatment could not be performed in-Kingdom, patients were transferred at government expense to suitable facilities in Europe, North America, or elsewhere.
How Faisal ruled was a reflection of his humanitarian nature. As a good Muslim, Faisal was inevitably a good philanthropist. Although Faisal was disciplined and frugal and often expected it in others, generosity and good deeds were equally prominent in his character. His concern for the less fortunate brought philanthropy deserved attention. By quiet example he reminded the world that time and effort should be spared for those in need.
Through educating and caring for his people, building a solid infrastructure, expanding agriculture, and creating industry, Faisal ushered in a new era in Arabia.
Service to Islam and to his countrymen were Faisal's primary objectives. To this end, he made a unique contribution to national and international politics by uniting the ideologies of Islam with progress and public welfare in a compatible and non-threatening manner.
Going back to politics, After the United Nations partition of Palestine, and when faisal was still a Minister of Foreign Affairs, he called on his father to break relations with the United States, but he was overruled. When Saud's financial ineptness resulted in the bankruptcy of the nation, Faisal was appointed regent, assuming office on March 4, 1964. On November 2 of that year, he became king after his brother Saud abdicated his rule, and left for Greece.
Faisal's rule saw oil production increase, which along with the rise in price of oil, gave the Saudi government riches not seen in the past. This allowed Faisal to introduce various reforms, including girls schools and television. Despite opposition from some Saudis to these reforms, Faisal sought to modernize while remain in the fold of Islam, as he would put it. Faisal's rule also saw an increased emphasis on Islamic identity in the political realm, which was in part due to the rising influence of socialist and pan-Arabic doctrines, popular in places like Egypt, Syria, and Iraq.Although the aftermath gave Saudi Arabia increased importance in the Arab world. Apparently, King Faisal was an avid reader of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and financed their wide dissemination throughout the kingdom and the Arab world. He even gave Henry Kissinger a copy, during a state visit in 1974.
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In 1973, Faisal began a program intended to increase the military power of Saudi Arabia. On October 17, he withdrew Saudi oil from world markets, quadrupling the price. Faisal's action was the primary force behind the 1973 energy crisis.
Arab oil embargo
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On October 16th, 1973, as part of the political strategy that included the Yom Kippur War, OAPEC cut production of oil, and placed an embargo on shipments of crude oil to the West, with the United States and the Netherlands specifically targeted. Also imposed was a boycott of Israel, and price increases. Since oil demand falls little with price rises, prices had to rise dramatically to reduce demand to the new, lower, level of supply. Anticipating this, the market price for oil immediately rose substantially. A world financial system already under pressure from the breakdown of the Bretton Woods agreement, would be set off on a path of a series of recessions and high inflation that would persist until the early 1980's, and elevated oil prices that would persist until 1986. However the effects of the Arab Oil Embargo are clear - it effectively doubled the real price of crude oil at the refinery level, and caused massive shortages in the US. This would exacerbate a recession that had already begun, and lead to a global recession through the rest of 1974.
Now this made me think if another oil embargo would work?. Would it effect the international economy as it did before? Here are couple of articles wrote by some professional analysts:
Another oil embargo
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An oil embargo won't work
Gulf news said
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"He was the first minister of foreign affairs after the establishment of the kingom under king Saud.
King Faisal was described as a great respecter of tradition, and a far-sighted innovator. During his reign, a number of major economic and social development plans took place.
He also showed a resolute commitment to the essential interests of the Arab and Islamic world.
Among the famous quotations attributed to him was when he told former US secretary of State Henry Kissenger "I want to pray in al-Aqsa mousque", in reference to his position to the necessiaty of solving the Arab-Israeli conflict. "
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King Faisal was named Timemagazine's "Man of the Year" in 1975 and he proved to be one of the world's most respected leader.
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Assassination
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On March 25, 1975, Faisal was shot and killed by his brother's son Faisal bin Musad. It has been speculated that he wanted to avenge his elder brother Khalid, who died in a clash with security forces in 1965. Although there have been some conspiracy theories, an investigation found that Prince Faisal bin Musad supposedly acted alone.
Prince Musad was with a Kuwaiti delegation who were waiting to meet the king. King Faisal had bent forward to greet him, but the Prince was reported to have pulled out a pistol and shot King Faisal three times in the face.
Prince Faisal Bin Musad was captured directly after the attack and declared officially insane. He was later found guilty of regicide and in June 1975 he was beheaded in the public square in Riyadh.
*private note:
i wont even compare KING FAISAL to hassan nasrallah, liannah il farg bainhum mithil il farg bain issimah wil arth. king faisal was killed for his own heroic actions, while children in lebanon are getting killed every day and a whole country is destroyed because of nasrallahs idiotic actions.
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............................................. (1906-1975) *you must be rolling in your grave*
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Here is an Attribute to the man who stood for his beliefs, religion and moralities. A man who've hit the ground with his feet and said to the entire world (today, here I stand) to my idol, to the only Arab leader I've ever liked in the "modern era", to the one and only KING FAISAL BIN ABDULAZIZ.
.
kindly click here
and here
.
The Man and his vision
Faisal bin Abd Al Aziz was born in Saudi Arabia's central province in 1906. He was the only son of his mother, a direct descendant of Muhammad ibn Abd Al Wahhab, the charismatic 18th century Islamic figure with whom the Al Sauds made the vital alliance which resulted in a religious revival and enabled the Al Sauds to extend their domains.
Faisal thus personified the commitment of the Al Sauds to rule according to the tenets of Islam. This strong Islamic heritage coupled with wisdom and farsightedness made Faisal a powerful leader and an ideal candidate to bring his isolated kingdom into the 20th century.
From childhood, Faisal avidly absorbed qualities of leadership from his father. King Abd Al Aziz taught his son firsthand about politics and the art of dealing successfully with the different needs of diverse people in a variety of situations. His father's example showed him the value of self-possession, patience, and discretion. Recognizing Faisal's unique abilities, Abd Al Aziz gave Faisal opportunities to play a significant role in public affairs at an early age.
Maintaining the bedouin custom of the majlis or audience, he made himself available to all his subjects. "If anyone feels wrongly treated, he has only himself to blame for not telling me. What higher democracy can there be?" His captivating personality and amazing capacity to handle the most complex problems in a just manner endeared him to his countrymen and made King Faisal recognised internationally as an exceptional statesman.
King Faisal was not merely a skilled politician and a respected diplomat. He was a cultured man who loved poetry and literature. He was an aristocrat of great humbleness whose nobility and integrity were innate, not assumed. He was a devout Muslim who lived his faith and successfully modernised Saudi Arabia without compromising the country's Islamic identity.
Not least, he was a ruler who sincerely cared about his people and felt a deep responsibility for their welfare.
Although King Faisal treasured his desert heritage, he accepted that it would not be to his country's advantage to ignore the benefits of progress. He was determined to improve economic and social standards and transform Saudi Arabia into a modern state. "Like it or not, we must join the modern world and find an honourable place in it."
Balancing beneficence with discipline, he used tact and sensitivity to overcome the protestations of his many conservative subjects.
It was further reassuring for them to know that Faisal was not prepared to sever ties with the past, nor would he accept purely secular legislation; the sacred Koran remained the law of the land.
In order to bring prosperity to Saudi Arabia, Faisal knew that the development of human resources was vital. Recognising that knowledge is power, Faisal determined that education had to be the starting point for such an undertaking. In a dramatic departure from local tradition, and in spite of initial opposition, he opened the Kingdom's first girls' school. Until universities were established in the Kingdom, he continued his brother King Saud's policy of giving scholarships in order to continue studies at universities abroad. Literacy classes were made available to older citizens.
He encouraged the country's youth to work hard to acquire the technical know-how they would need in order to accept the challenges facing their developing nation. His own children set the example for others. Faisal knew it would be a long journey but he also knew it was time to take the first steps. "We are starting from the bottom," he cautioned, "and we have to build slowly. We cannot perform miracles overnight."
Among Faisal's extensive social programmes, universal health care had an important impact on the well-being of the population. For the first time, modern medicine was available to all Saudis. If treatment could not be performed in-Kingdom, patients were transferred at government expense to suitable facilities in Europe, North America, or elsewhere.
How Faisal ruled was a reflection of his humanitarian nature. As a good Muslim, Faisal was inevitably a good philanthropist. Although Faisal was disciplined and frugal and often expected it in others, generosity and good deeds were equally prominent in his character. His concern for the less fortunate brought philanthropy deserved attention. By quiet example he reminded the world that time and effort should be spared for those in need.
Through educating and caring for his people, building a solid infrastructure, expanding agriculture, and creating industry, Faisal ushered in a new era in Arabia.
Service to Islam and to his countrymen were Faisal's primary objectives. To this end, he made a unique contribution to national and international politics by uniting the ideologies of Islam with progress and public welfare in a compatible and non-threatening manner.
Going back to politics, After the United Nations partition of Palestine, and when faisal was still a Minister of Foreign Affairs, he called on his father to break relations with the United States, but he was overruled. When Saud's financial ineptness resulted in the bankruptcy of the nation, Faisal was appointed regent, assuming office on March 4, 1964. On November 2 of that year, he became king after his brother Saud abdicated his rule, and left for Greece.
Faisal's rule saw oil production increase, which along with the rise in price of oil, gave the Saudi government riches not seen in the past. This allowed Faisal to introduce various reforms, including girls schools and television. Despite opposition from some Saudis to these reforms, Faisal sought to modernize while remain in the fold of Islam, as he would put it. Faisal's rule also saw an increased emphasis on Islamic identity in the political realm, which was in part due to the rising influence of socialist and pan-Arabic doctrines, popular in places like Egypt, Syria, and Iraq.Although the aftermath gave Saudi Arabia increased importance in the Arab world. Apparently, King Faisal was an avid reader of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and financed their wide dissemination throughout the kingdom and the Arab world. He even gave Henry Kissinger a copy, during a state visit in 1974.
.
.
In 1973, Faisal began a program intended to increase the military power of Saudi Arabia. On October 17, he withdrew Saudi oil from world markets, quadrupling the price. Faisal's action was the primary force behind the 1973 energy crisis.
Arab oil embargo
.
.
On October 16th, 1973, as part of the political strategy that included the Yom Kippur War, OAPEC cut production of oil, and placed an embargo on shipments of crude oil to the West, with the United States and the Netherlands specifically targeted. Also imposed was a boycott of Israel, and price increases. Since oil demand falls little with price rises, prices had to rise dramatically to reduce demand to the new, lower, level of supply. Anticipating this, the market price for oil immediately rose substantially. A world financial system already under pressure from the breakdown of the Bretton Woods agreement, would be set off on a path of a series of recessions and high inflation that would persist until the early 1980's, and elevated oil prices that would persist until 1986. However the effects of the Arab Oil Embargo are clear - it effectively doubled the real price of crude oil at the refinery level, and caused massive shortages in the US. This would exacerbate a recession that had already begun, and lead to a global recession through the rest of 1974.
Now this made me think if another oil embargo would work?. Would it effect the international economy as it did before? Here are couple of articles wrote by some professional analysts:
Another oil embargo
.
.
An oil embargo won't work
Gulf news said
.
.
"He was the first minister of foreign affairs after the establishment of the kingom under king Saud.
King Faisal was described as a great respecter of tradition, and a far-sighted innovator. During his reign, a number of major economic and social development plans took place.
He also showed a resolute commitment to the essential interests of the Arab and Islamic world.
Among the famous quotations attributed to him was when he told former US secretary of State Henry Kissenger "I want to pray in al-Aqsa mousque", in reference to his position to the necessiaty of solving the Arab-Israeli conflict. "
.
.
.
King Faisal was named Timemagazine's "Man of the Year" in 1975 and he proved to be one of the world's most respected leader.
.
.
.
.
Assassination
.
.
.
On March 25, 1975, Faisal was shot and killed by his brother's son Faisal bin Musad. It has been speculated that he wanted to avenge his elder brother Khalid, who died in a clash with security forces in 1965. Although there have been some conspiracy theories, an investigation found that Prince Faisal bin Musad supposedly acted alone.
Prince Musad was with a Kuwaiti delegation who were waiting to meet the king. King Faisal had bent forward to greet him, but the Prince was reported to have pulled out a pistol and shot King Faisal three times in the face.
Prince Faisal Bin Musad was captured directly after the attack and declared officially insane. He was later found guilty of regicide and in June 1975 he was beheaded in the public square in Riyadh.
*private note:
i wont even compare KING FAISAL to hassan nasrallah, liannah il farg bainhum mithil il farg bain issimah wil arth. king faisal was killed for his own heroic actions, while children in lebanon are getting killed every day and a whole country is destroyed because of nasrallahs idiotic actions.
SALUTE !
Posted by
Anonymous |
6/8/06 2:10 AM
ahmad
HELL YEAH !
bonaviita
Tell THEM !
Posted by
Mother Courage |
6/8/06 2:40 AM
bonaviita
this breaks the record ;-)
Posted by
Mother Courage |
6/8/06 3:14 AM
قد اتفهم انك اصغر بالسن من ان تعرفي ما حدث فيما يتعلق بقطع النفط لكن ما لا اتفهمه هو تشجيعك لموقف فيصل بدون سبب إلا ربما الدعاية الكاذبة السعودية.
تم ايقاف النفط بعد انتهاء العمليات القتالية بين الجيوش العربية وبين الجيش الصهيوني وبين تثبيت وقف اطلاق النار الأول. ولم يكن للنفط أى قيمة تذكر على سير المعركة، ولم يكن لايقاف النفط أى فائدة تذكر لأحد إلا لعرب الخليج فقد ارتفعت اسعاره بشكل جنوني وتضخمت جيوب المدعو فيصل وغيره.
فيصل غفر الله له كان غبي سياسيا لدرجة قطع العلاقات السياسية مع الاتحاد السوفيتي لأنهم ملحديين! اخاف بس الامريكان مقيمين للصلاة حاجيين للبيت؟
فيصل اوقف التحركات العسكرية السعودية لاعادة أخذ جزيرة تيران السعودية من مصر لأنه أجبن من أن يرفع علم العبرية السعودية على جزيرة سعودية القريبه جدا من اسرائيل.
لندني رفيئ الحريري كان تاجر شنطة وليس بسياسي محترم ومكانه مزبلة التاريخ لولا قوة اعلامه وجهل الناس. هل تعرف انه دمر العملة اللبنانية واثر على حياة الناس وارزاقهم عام 1992 لسبب واحد وهو رغبته باسقاط الحكومة القائمة انذاك ليتسلق كالجرذ للمنصب؟ هل تعرف مؤامراته الدنيئة للسيطرة على سوق الموبايل بلبنان؟ هل تعرف زعيم سياسي محترم ينغسل شراعه ويأمره رئيس دولة اجنبية باتخاذ موقف سياسي معين وينفذ كالطالب الفاشل؟ هذا هو رفيق الحريري الى غسل شراعه الرئيس الاسد وماراد عليه .. ودخل لمكتب وليد المعلم الى كمل عليه زف بدون لايقول لن اصوت للتمديد لايميل لحود لأنه ضد مصالح وطني! هذا قائد مكانه مزبلة التاريخ ... اخراجه من قبره لمحاكمته هو افضل حل .. كما قال العماد عون!
حسن عدوالله هو رافضي ضال وهو خطر على الامة لكنه اقل خطرا من اليهود فلذالك ندعمه ويقتل هو وفئته الضالة ولايقتل ابناء الرسول واحبائه
Posted by
Anonymous |
6/8/06 4:37 AM
Great post, some quality content in the blogosphere for once. Arab history is interesting, has alot of moving parts.
A friend of mine reminded me the other day of something interesting:
"hisotry is written by the winners"
Posted by
Entrepreneur |
6/8/06 8:35 AM
Faisal bin Musad, while studying in Colorado, met his future American wife, a CIA operative. Sirhan Sirhan was known also to be in the company of ladies employed by various Amrican intelligence agencies. During the early '60s, these agencies were experimenting in mind altering drugs that could control people like robots. There is reason to suggest that both Sirhan Sirhan and Faisal Al-Musad were drugged in the same fashion. In fact, lawyers for Sirhan Sirhan claimed temporary insanity was the cause for his actions. Sirhan Sirhan till this day doesn't ever remember meeting RFK. He's serving a life term with no chance for parole, so I don't know why he would lie. Unfortunately, in the KSA, Al-Musad was never going to get anything resembling a fair trial.
Posted by
Harry Kane |
6/8/06 9:08 AM
www.thedubyareport.com/bushbin.html
Posted by
Harry Kane |
6/8/06 9:13 AM
londony
well said ... and thank You
anonymous
with all respect ... this is non-sense , have you even read my post?!
Entrepreneur
Absolutely, but what are the standards of winners these days?
harry kane
"Unfortunately, in the KSA, Al-Musad was never going to get anything resembling a fair trial"
could you please elaborate ?
and thanks for the link but i question the Efficiency of that site, especially whith bush's doofus picture
Posted by
Mother Courage |
6/8/06 9:57 AM
الملك فيصل الله يرحمه ربما كان من آخر الحكام العرب الرجال.
الملك فيصل عاصر عبدالناصر وعاصر عز أيام القومية العربية، عندما كنا نعتز بالشرف والقيم.
ويبقى السيد حسن نصرالله هو بقية ذلك الشرف الذي حمله لنا الملك فيصل والرئيس عبدالناصر .. الله يرحمهم وينصر حزب الله.
Posted by
فيزوقراطي |
6/8/06 10:23 AM
فيزوقراطي
بدينا بالتلصق
;-p
and i'm afraid i totally disagree ... as i said before
اشجاب الصين للطين
الفرق بينهم مثل الفرق بين السما و الارض
او مثل ماقالت بونافيتا
اشجاب الثرى للثريا
...etc =)
Posted by
Mother Courage |
6/8/06 11:24 AM
Winners are the ones that live to fight another day... the standards or qualifications of a winner are always subjective
Posted by
Entrepreneur |
6/8/06 12:00 PM
Entrepreneur
interesting !! .. can you name a living one ?? a leader if possible ? i hope hes not the one i'm thinking of right now !
Posted by
Mother Courage |
6/8/06 12:59 PM
مذر بتزعليني منج
انا كتبت حقيقة واتوقع منج منطقيا ان تنكرين الحقيقة المكتوبة وتطالبين بمصدرها او تكتبين ماتعتقدين انه حقيقة وتكتبين المصدر او تقرين بعدم معرفتج بالموضوع لكن نن سينس وتمشين وين تنصرف نن سين؟ الى مايعرف يرد يقلها ويمششي وانت هقوتي اكبر
Posted by
Anonymous |
6/8/06 1:16 PM
anonymous
sure, show me your resources =)
Posted by
Mother Courage |
6/8/06 1:18 PM
Just bare in mind that as you go on and on and on and on about how it is an idiotic action, you have a war going on and people dying. And instead of placing blame on this and that, try to stand for the values that 'Faisal of Arabia' represents, the values that he should inspire you since he's your role model. Unity. And after we're done with Israel, you may go ahead and make Nasrallah pay for dragging us into the war (as you believe) although you can't possibly know better than Israeli spokesmen who say very bluntly and clearly that the war would have started one way or another. Unite for God's sake, it's Israel you're fighting. Do you realise that Israel hate YOU, whoever you are, for being born a Muslim? Now don't give me the oh-who-says-I-dont-hate-Israel, because by doing what you're doing you're doing Israel a huge huge favour, what with all the arguments this is causing.
Posted by
Anonymous |
6/8/06 1:57 PM
7izballah did what no other arabian army could have ever done.
they faced/still facing, one of the most powerful armys in the world....
THEY ARE FACING ISRAEL
no one expected it will take this long, israel didnt expect they would stand for this long either.
7izballah is fighting for a cause.
for all of islam, if this didnt happen now it will happen later.
arabs did nothing coz theyre cowards and dont believe in them selves.
they believe the media the propaganda.
arabs like to kiss ass alot.
but as scarlo said the enemy is ISRAEL not the arabs not hizballah not the ass kissers.. its ISRAEL
so yes we should unite.
and btw .
sayid 7assan nasrallah is sayid. means related to prophet mohammed (pbuh)
fa maygoooz shar3an anich tsibena. and call him an idiot.
good post :)
Posted by
No3iK |
6/8/06 2:17 PM
scarlo ,
nasrallah did not abide nor did he stick to his word !! ... he REFUSED to unite!!!
he took this action in solo , and he gave 7areri his word that he would not do anything toward israel... how can you unite with someone who can't keep his word? someone who would stab you in the back??
some logic please !!! ... by the way i'm totally against nasrallah and 7izb ishaitan.. but since israel are way over limit i think its time for arabs to call on war ... which is never gonna happen !! thats why he shouldnt have started it !!!!
Posted by
Mother Courage |
6/8/06 2:23 PM
no3ik
no offense darling , did he do some kind of DNA test?!
ana mu ga3dah asibah !! all i'm saying is facts + personal opinion regarding those facts
thanks =)
Posted by
Mother Courage |
6/8/06 2:27 PM
is = are
Posted by
Mother Courage |
6/8/06 2:36 PM
so from all what i wrote, this is the only thing, u had to comment,
la aked mako offense shako! lol may9erli ohwa ..
o la masawa dna , 7ala 7al `3era ao family history is there, go research if u like..
other than that.
alquran said:
"wala tafaraqqo"
the only weapon we have is al wi7da ..
the strongest weapon israel have is "tafriqatna"
so were actually doing them favors ..
we should all unite like i said earlier. la ana 9a7 wala ent `3ala6 since were both muslims, thats all i wanna know, thats all i need to know,
other than that, we have one aim protect eachother.
thats why i hate politics and news coz they do one thing "TAFRIQA"
:* just an opinion like i said.
Posted by
No3iK |
6/8/06 3:08 PM
الله يرحمه
كان من أروع القاده العرب
Posted by
Chai-7aleeb |
6/8/06 5:21 PM
Woah..I'd say this is interesting.
1st of all, about DNA testing. Does anyone have Prophet Mohammad's (PBUH) DNA sample? No?
Then cut the crap. A Sayid is a Sayid, no arguing that.
2nd of all, ALL of those leaders who existed during the wars against Israel: Abdulnaser, King Faisal..etc..etc..were good men.
But they're nothing but worm food now. What good are they to us?
As mentioned before Nasrallah was the only person capable of facing a regular military. And this little 'war' is the precursor to the great war which will eventually happen.
Remember we have a Quran?
We are all Muslims? All under one banner to fight & finally free the Holy Land.
Arabs will never unite under a single banner. Only MUSLIMS will unite under the banner of Islam.
Allah yer7am ayam the Islamic Empire that stretched from India to Spain.
Allah yer7am Sala7 ilDeen..wainek 3anna yuba?
Posted by
Anonymous |
6/8/06 5:21 PM
Mother Courage said...
"could you please elaborate ?"
Well, lets just say that due process in the Magic Kingdom isn't a given.
"i question the Efficiency of that site,"
Forget the site. Just check the refrences at the end.
"especially whith bush's doofus picture"
On the contrary. That gives the site even more credibility. :-)
Posted by
Harry Kane |
6/8/06 5:35 PM
mother c
my questions over those which you have promised to respond to yet still are a no-show:
1. which word did he give il7areery about "doing nothing towards israel"?
and to which 7areery are you talking about?
stab in the back, do you want to even go there ..
meanwhile, i advise you to see this bas 3alashan a7e6ich belsora lena athenn ena ur probably misinformed .. ?
2. when you say someone "REFUSED" to unite, that entails that an offer was made beforehand. that is logic.
so now, two queries:
a) what is that offer? i.e. what shape did it take, when was it offered, and most importantly, who made the offer?
b) why did such an offer of unity, if ever proposed, be refused?
3. do you think an oil embargo should be put into motion?
if yes, then how do you explain the recent saudi statement.
if not, then why not?
4. what exactly is the relation between king faisal alla yer7uma and s. nasralla?
i.e. if you say you won't compare yourself lena elfarg bain kait o kait, then why this post? please advise
the oil embargo? check 3. above
otherwise, what are the given similarities of context - not person? i.e. nation-wise, economic, regional and global circumstances for such "comparisson that is not worthy of comparrison" 3ala 7ad ta3beerich
-
my notes to you:
1. you said "did he do some kind of DNA test"
are you saying ena he's not a sayid? not sure what that was all about..
but anyway no, no DNA tests as you put it.. but any sayid can prove his line up to being a direct descendent from ilrasol ila3tham (ssala allah 3laih w aaleh) by exact name
ya3ni ilmas'ala mo mas'alat "sej wela yetgashmar aw yide3y"
i know this myself for a fact because of my mother..
if you don't wish to take my word for it however, then i hope you will take the time and research
2. you have still not answered any of my (and others) questions about some of your statements and some of your accusations.
indeed, you said forget it "its a waste of time", but clearly ur still talking about the issue so i think you should step up to the plate and be held accountable to what you said in the past (and that to which you have promised to commit urself to), before proceeding to much wider (and to what you suggest yourself as being) irrelevant matters.
as you mentioned previously, if you wish to keep this through email then i am open to that as well.
chairz
PS: 3ogob ma tiredeen 3ala il as'ela fi shay thany bas'elech eyah laken bakhaleeh for now to maintain relevance .. just a heads up 3ashan tekonen 3arfa mn al7en :)
Posted by
Temetwir |
6/8/06 5:38 PM
temtewir ,, lol thanks for that!!
wayid info i didnt know mashalah
so please dont use email coz we as readers need to be informed aswell ..
good points btw.
Posted by
No3iK |
6/8/06 6:43 PM
The issue of the war in Lebanon is deeper than your comprehension.. we will see who is to blame for this war. (The washington post had an artical stating that Isreal, with the U.S.A's knowing and blessings, knew of this war before hand. Not to mention that they were planning this for a very long time.)
Sayed Hassan has talked with many of the political figures of kidnapping of isreali solderies (see the al-jazeera interview) and stated that the prisoners in the Zoinist presons will not be resolved unless there is an exchange of prisoners. So the Lebonese gov. knew about this (everything will be uncovered inshalla).
www.moqawama.net and go to speeches section.
The Isreali soldiers were in the borders with their tank (it was not a walk on the park).
If you knew anything about history, you would know that this has been done before and succesful exchanges have happened.
The prisoner Samir Elqen6ar has been in isreali prisons since 1979. who will take him out of there? United nations of America?! I dont think so. (Samir Elqendar is a Durzi, not a shia. Hisbollah and Sayed Hassan are for justice, not for thier own sect.)
Where is your Al-Saud from all of this? where are they? they, and other arab leaders, could have stoped this bloodshed by giving a statment condeming Isreal instead of condeming Hizbollah which in return gave the green light for them. Not to mention the fatwa that came from the Al-Saud supported moftis (which have no support anymore from the citizens of Saudi Arabia anymore).
Why didnt they take a stance like one of the great leaders of the world, the president of Venizuala, where he condemed the acts and removed his ambassodor form isreal and called Hisbollah freedom fighters (Hugo chavez is not musilm, he is a free man and i salute him). Or why didnt they do like Shiekh el-azhar where he said he would give shuhada to fight along hizbola (he is a great Sunni mofti, supporting a great Shia Sayed). THIS IS UNITY
I will give you 1 advice:
A person is measured by their stances...choose your stances wisely
Posted by
Atinzad |
6/8/06 8:54 PM
Atinzad said...
"Sayed Hassan has talked with many of the political figures of kidnapping of isreali solderies"
Frankly, he was in a tough spot. If you don't confer with the gov, they accuse you of acting irresponsibly. On the other hand, I don't think its very wise telling every Tom, Dick, and Harry about an upcoming commando raid.
"The prisoner Samir Elqen6ar has been in isreali prisons since 1979."
Well, if this was all for the release of Elqen6ar, then I think even Elqen6ar would have declined considering what has happened. He's been in prison since '79 and he has what, two years left on his term?
In any case, these details in the scheme of things are practically irrelevant. Like you said, this war was happening no matter what.
Posted by
Harry Kane |
7/8/06 1:28 AM
Before going through the comments, I'd like to mention that this post was not meant to be a comparison between King Faisal may his soul rest in peace and Nasrallah, coz as I have mentioned before comparison is unjustified in this case, there for I've put " a private note" for someone who tried in away to compare them both and he actually inspired me to write this post, so that "private note" was meant to him.
Posted by
Mother Courage |
7/8/06 3:59 PM
No3ik
(thats why i hate politics and news coz they do one thing "TAFRIQA")
Bingo, There you go =)
Chai-7aleeb
أي والله ..عسى الله يرحمه..ياليت في واحد نصه الحين
Mini Я.
"1st of all, about DNA testing. Does anyone have Prophet Mohammad's (PBUH) DNA sample? No?"
No but it was mentioned in Quran (that he was an arab that it) … was nasrallah mentioned in Quran as well ?
"2nd of all, ALL of those leaders who existed during the wars against Israel: Abdulnaser, King Faisal..etc..etc..were good men."
I'm afraid I disagree , I'm not a big fan of abdulnasser. Must say Faisal had a major impact on them all.
"We are all Muslims? All under one banner to fight & finally free the Holy Land."
I didn’t know that muslims were meant to fight ! … I thought we were born to build this land and pray for Allah, well that’s what they taught us back in school !!
"Only MUSLIMS will unite under the banner of Islam."
Finally something we agree on !!
Allah yir7amha mn ayam .. youm iriyayeel kanaw riyayeel !!
Harry kane
("especially whith bush's doofus picture"
On the contrary. That gives the site even more credibility)
LOL, good 1
Temetwir
1- There was an interview with sa3ad al 7areerii on al 3arabiyah news , he said that he knew there were some tension between hizballah and Israel , so sa3ad was about to leave Lebanon and just to make sure, he called nasrallah and told him not to do anything till he comes back and discuss things in the parliament, nasrallah gave him his word that he wouldn’t do anything till then. But he didn’t stick to his word
2- A) already answered
B) ask nasrallah
3- im not a specialist, that’s why I've put two articles so you could compare both, and actually I could get the readers feed back … but they say that the arabs used to control like 70% at that time while they control 30% nowadays … if the arabs are willingto unite then I think its worth a try, but they wont since Jordan is U.K's pet … Egypt um wayhain … K.S.A can not possibly go into that war alone .. or they'll be following Iraq and Palestine
4- I think I already answered that in the beginning of my comments. And I did mention its an attribute to the man I've always admired… it wasn’t a comparison case in the first place!
"my notes to you:
1. you said "did he do some kind of DNA test"
are you saying ena he's not a sayid? not sure what that was all about..
but anyway no, no DNA tests as you put it.. but any sayid can prove his line up to being a direct descendent from ilrasol ila3tham (ssala allah 3laih w aaleh) by exact name"
Since al rasool (PBUH) is 3arabi, and nasrallah is a "direct descendent" from il rasool (PBUH) so does that mean nasrallah is 3arabi ?
Antizad:
I know that this was was meant to be ! wallah il 3atheem adree and I know its not about those two Israeli soldiers… but he could have avoided that for the meanwhile till we're almost "ready" !
"I will give you 1 advice:
A person is measured by their stances...choose your stances wisely"
I do know where I'm going , but thanks anyway.
Bonaviita
Ilmishkillah it was a "private" note , not a "personal" note !! … allah yi3eenah kilnah inshallah.
Posted by
Mother Courage |
7/8/06 3:59 PM
You said in reply to Antizad:
'I know that this was was meant to be ! wallah il 3atheem adree and I know its not about those two Israeli soldiers ... he could have avoided that for the meanwhile till we're almost "ready" !'
And you previously said in reply to my comment:
'i think its time for arabs to call on war ... which is never gonna happen !! thats why he shouldnt have started it !!!! '
I'm confused. You say he should have waited till we're ready, which is not goning to happen. So we're never going to be ready, and so sayyid 7asain should have waited *forever*, and the lebanese prisoners should die in prison, their wives should give up and re-marry, their families should foget all about them? Because we're never going to be ready at all, and so you don't blame us for not being ready, you don't blame your leaders for being puppets, but you blame the man that tried to do something towards those spending the rest of their lives in prison?
wow ...
Posted by
Anonymous |
7/8/06 5:09 PM
scarlo
my leaders????
so we're different .. we're not "unite" !! see your the one whose making boandaries ...okay !
Posted by
Mother Courage |
7/8/06 5:31 PM
mother c,
7athretich b nafsich gelteely:
"my next post might help you understand my "not so clear" ideas =)"
en kanat qal6ety taking you seriously o respecting what u write as that of an adult, then i understand.. amma etha enty tegolen elshay walanty mestaw3ebta wenty taktibeena o matadreen 3ana the next day, then i think u should specify that beforehand :)
elmohem,
1. tathbiteenly ena enty fe3lan mo mestaw3eba ayshay met3aleg eb hal 7arb ela mn july 11th-12th,, im grateful .. madri laish za3alty mn theek elayam
2a) no u didnt answer..? link me please
2b) ga3ed as'elich entay, no need for u to get defensive
4. no u didnt answer anything, 7athretich gelteely 3an ur next post, fa im doing this for u as a favour for u to acknowledge that im trying o ma 7agartech.
fa mara thanya ne3eed, if u dont mean whatever it is u say when u say it.. please let me know beforehand 3ashan i dont waste my time
-
you ask: "Since al rasool (PBUH) is 3arabi, and nasrallah is a "direct descendent" from il rasool (PBUH) so does that mean nasrallah is 3arabi ?"
eh na3am
walaw many 3arif laish hamech etha kan "3arabi" wela .. whatever else u had in mind
elmohem, you also wrote:
"since Jordan is U.K's pet … Egypt um wayhain … K.S.A can not possibly go into that war alone .. or they'll be following Iraq and Palestine"
- u were talking abt an oil embargo, so which war did u mean?
- i think u have it backward,, whatever KSA does, arabs follow
- that is, i also think ur giving KSA way too much credit, u think they can even act? please check `89-91 history of KSA
o malah da3i te7awleen "terag3een" 7ag el se3odeya mawgefhom, a3teged kelna 3arfeen el khaleej eb kobra sheno, ma yat 3al se3odeya wela lekwait wela gairhom
lelasaf ma istefadt shay men ur reply if u want to call it that, so im hoping that ur delivering on ur past promises will prove to be more worthwhile :)
chairz
Posted by
Temetwir |
7/8/06 6:32 PM
My leaders, your leaders, our leaders. I meant to speak directly to you so as to make you think since the speech is directed to YOU but you obviously don't feel like thinking your brain, and just took my "your" so as to find a way not to answer. You obviously lack the courage to even think and re-think to yourself.
I'm glad you "know where you're going", and i'm wishing you best luck with that, amour.
Posted by
Anonymous |
7/8/06 6:55 PM
temetwir
"7athritik" !! lol
you just dont want to be convinced
i dont like long conversations ... and when i said my next post will respond to some of my not clear ideas i meant the way we should deal with israel in peace and without calling for a war ... faisal did it , ghani did it , mandella did it ... why cant we do that now !... nelef windoor b nafs el fikrah.
scarlo
same goes to you
thank you dear
Posted by
Mother Courage |
7/8/06 7:41 PM
oh one more thing scarlo
I do have the "courage" to "think" and "re-think" to myself when I'm in a discussion not and argument
;-)
Posted by
Mother Courage |
7/8/06 7:49 PM
mother c,
ma fahamt ely ketabteeh:
( "7athritik" !! lol )
sheno ya3ni 7athretek, o shetha7ek?
please answer
you wrote:
"the way we should deal with israel in peace and without calling for a war"
6ayyib, revise UNGAR 181 first/again to understand/remember what you're dealing with
then, for the purpose of "in peace" please check the camp david deal as offered by Barrak and refused by the PLO, and why
then, check the pending UNSCR 242 of `67
later, revise the arab initiative in 2002 and the reaction
all the while, i hope you take a look at the settlements in ilthiffa ilgharbeya wel tawaso3 ely sayer, and i hope you remember (or know of) elense7ab mn ge6aa3 gazza and its implementations
enty ely tfathaltay o gelty peace, fa ga3ed athakrich.. im giving u the benefit of the doubt assuming enty 3arfa already
i hope you will take the time to do so, and then present ur argument of what exactly you mean by 'in peace' in the light of the above
note: im under the impression u already know how the UN is structured and what a veto is - thus, how it has been used by the states
and if peace was thought of, i advise u also look up the grants and financing of the US to israel and with what theyre arming them in the last few years - as opposed to the arming of the GCC just for comparisson and get a "rounder" picture
la7thay eny lel7een ma yebtlich seerat lebnan, wala yebtlich seerat any prisoners
o madri shlon tegolen i dont want to be convinced lama enty b nafsich tadreen enech ma radaitay 3ala as'ela en6ar7at sarlaha esbo3ain etha mo akthar
awaiting a response here, my space or email as you proposed
Posted by
Temetwir |
7/8/06 8:26 PM
temetwir
"7athretik" i was just being sarcastic using your own words when you said "7athritich" showing a polite way of dialogue ba3dein tabeit feenii, which i thought was funny =)
if i was the only one whom you've discussed this with i would have answered every single question ... but we both know you've already discussed this with a lot of people in the blog sphere with those who agree and disagree with you .. still though everyone was conviced with his own views and the discussion ended with one point that we all should unite now ... this subject has a history way back before we both were born and if we're going to go through every stage and every point ma ra7 nkhales ... my whole point from THIS POST is how KING FAISAL delt with that situation back then without going on war although the situation was tensed but he didnt allow them to get on him.. as for how things went right now i think we could have avoided that and we could have reached a settlement ... how to deal with it now? what are the steps that should be taken? as i said before i'm not an expert and tifilsif is not my specialization. if i know the answers of how to solve up this mess i would have wrote them down, the oil embargo was a good option back then, is it a good option right now ? maybe yes maybe no!.. i only put this post about king faisal to be taken as an example. so dont try to take some other turns that has nothing to do with this post
temetwir we agree to disagree, c'est tout !
Posted by
Mother Courage |
7/8/06 9:13 PM
-takes a bow-
heheheheh i know ana shako
but i felt like it ;p
Posted by
No3iK |
8/8/06 1:47 AM
no3ik
glad you liked the show, w saway kil elle bkhatrich, 7ayach Allah b'ay wagt =)
Posted by
Mother Courage |
8/8/06 2:41 AM
Hizbollah have the courage to face their enamies who are the AGRESSORS...
Talk about el-thool. Isreal takes in prisoners, while they are asleep in their homes, while a tank that is bordering lebanon, we should not even touch or look at them (according to your logic).
Go read the al-saud family's history and see where they come from and how they became rulers of al-jazeera al-3arabiya.
fe2a "9aleela eghlabat fe2a ekbeera... let their be some faith in the moqawama.
7alaal 3alaahom ye7arboon 7araam 3alaina indafe3?!?
maskeen elle 3alabal ene ibmojarad erja3 elasraa isreal will stop their agression.
intay wain wil mawaa"9ef (stances) wain.. mawa"9efich nafis mawa"9ef 7okaam el 3arab (note al-Saud are one of biggest western pets, afraid to lose their seats). Raa'6een bil mahaan wil thol. Makoo 3ala Hugo chavez o ma7mood a7medinajad... they are free men with storng stances.
learn from these ppl instead of trag-3een for isreal, al-saud , and USA... ask yourself who are the agressors elle yafro'9oon rayhoom 3ala '3airhom for the black gold (oil incase you didnt get it) and yetheloon nafeshom o sha3bhom 3ashan karaaseehom (multi billionare 7araamiya al-Saud).
Again know where u stand cuz Allah ye7asib el-insaaan 3ala mawa"9fa.
Posted by
Atinzad |
8/8/06 1:39 PM
atinzad
il 7achi ibalash... have some vision, then what? when they finish on lebanon and all those men and children are vanished ... would you be happy then? is this what you want?
yes i do have faith in allah and allah bilquran yigool
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
"ولا ترموا انفسكم بالتهلكة"
some logic please instead of acting without giving things enough thought
w 3adel kalamek allah yi7aasib il insan 3ala mawaqfah . welle ga3id yeseer bilebnan 7aram and must stop, 6af innar bidal latizeedha 7a6ab. w ba3deen allah yihadak kilshway your telling me "your stances" as if i have anything to do with starting this war !
Posted by
Mother Courage |
8/8/06 6:57 PM
Im9adga 3omrich 3indich vision?
We return the 2 prisoners then what?
You think the Isreals will stop bombing?!
laa maa nabe salam ma3a kayaan '3aaa9eb me7tal.
And yes 3adlay your stance... imsawya da3aya 7ag al-Saud o imbarerah 7ag isreal ib kalamich.
tahloka laman wa7ed yedafi3 3an wa6ana? (tfasreen 3ala kaafich,
laa eykoon darsa deen yomaan o 9ayratle moftiyat elbolg-gaaat?!)
go read the Quran and see how many times it mentions jihad (jihad with soul and money).
O laat fasreen 3ala kafich el ayaat (Allah haam ye7seb elensaan laman yefasr 3al kaaf kaafa wey '6alel '3aaara).
ro7ay jahday ib kelma 6ayba 7ag el-mo"9awama bidal el da3ay 7ag el motrafeen al-Saud (lets not mention all the ppl that died 3ala eedhom wil '6olm 3ala sha3abhom. rabi3 el-takfeereyeen, 7aramiyat el-3a9er)
yeebely 3aalem deeen wa7ed (other than el mofti el mokafer bin jebreen) says that hizbola's actions are wrong. (offcourse, bin jebreen doesnt dare to say hizbolah are wrong, he says they are rafe'9eyya and 7aram to pray for them...let me tell you that guy 6a7 soooga even in Saudi)
if you follow the salafi school of thought (the most extreme against shia, and hizbolah being shia) they stand with hizbolah. The second man in kolleyat alsharee3a in kuwait, 7akem al-mo6ar, said it is WAJEB to help in any way elmo"9awama in lebanon [hizbolah] with prayer, money or any type of help, and their dead are SHUHADAAAAAAA2 regardless of their sect.
Hope this clears some things and hope you enjoy your holiday.
nas2lcom eldo3aa2.
Posted by
Atinzad |
9/8/06 6:55 PM
George Galloway Member of Parlement, answering Sky news reporter :)
plz chk it out
http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-galloway_060806,00.html
Posted by
Atinzad |
9/8/06 8:08 PM
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Posted by
Mother Courage |
9/8/06 8:12 PM
atinzad
You Got Major issues =)
Posted by
Mother Courage |
9/8/06 8:17 PM
;-p~~~~
Posted by
Mother Courage |
9/8/06 8:29 PM
atinzad 7adik cool!
mother 7adich cool!
bonavita 7adich cool!
hehehehehe
- TAKES ANOTHER BOW -
Posted by
No3iK |
10/8/06 11:49 AM
so after my bow i was thinking...
girls!
did u even watch the video?? did u?
ummmm i dont think u did...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249JaIaubVw
if u dont want to watch it fine, but atleast read the comments of chrisitian nonarabs westerners..u name it. people.who can see the truth.
they think its a fucking awesome video
;p so check it out !
Posted by
No3iK |
10/8/06 12:19 PM
That's a great story. Waiting for more. » »
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Anonymous |
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